[REL] Ko zorijo jagode (1978) [Slovenia]

[deadman]

The internet seems to give a wide range of ages when you try to find out. For example, the girl on the album cover of The Scorpions - Virgin Killer, there's 3 different ages doing the rounds, 10, 12 and 14, personally i'd say she looks 12.

I was going to post a picture of the album cover, but i don't know if i'd be allowed

I don't think the picture would be deleted if you posted it, since it was a widely available album cover. Underage nudity is not illegal in the United States. It's just generally not done anymore due to public blowback. Any group that put out an album photo like that today would face boycotts and negative coverage in the media. Music and movies are a business, and offending your customers is bad for business.

I'd say the girl looks more like 10 or 11. But I haven't researched her, so who knows?

Sometimes you really can't find anything on an actress' age. Or you have multiple sources contradicting each other. Nothing wrong with admitting uncertainty. But it's possible to track down solid evidence more often than you might think. Sometimes that's quick and easy, sometimes it takes a little digging.

[Sully23]

Underage nudity is not illegal in the United States.

I hope what you say is true but the problem is not the public's reaction but a visit from the FBI and a stint in a federal prison, no matter if he is artistic he is still labeled as a cp.

[deadman]

Underage nudity is not illegal in the United States.

I hope what you say is true but the problem is not the public's reaction but a visit from the FBI and a stint in a federal prison, no matter if he is artistic he is still labeled as a cp.

There are plenty of (usually older) American movies with underage nudity, which are still available on cable/streaming. Sex acts are illegal. Nudity is not. The way they basically shadow ban that is through local obscenity laws involving vaguely defined "community standards" (the vagueness is intentional). In practice this means conservative towns won't let you show your film in a public forum. The effect is like demonetizing videos on someone's YouTube channel. If you can't make money without self-censoring, you self-censor, and the industry largely does. Indie films are the big exception. Non-studio productions have limited theatrical distribution anyway, and they can stick to welcoming venues.

You're talking about material that one can face criminal charges simply for possessing. And with minors that means sex. For example: if you've seen those nudist pseudo-documentary movies showing families doing various activities sans clothing, there's a lot of naked people (of all ages) but absolutely no sex. Those are not illegal under US law. If you show them at a drive-in theater in some deep red state you could get in trouble for breaking local indecency ordinances though.

I have a magazine article about the 1938 film Child Bride, featuring 12 year old Shirley Mills. The laws really haven't changed much in all this time. The tricks they used to get around industry self-censorship are instructive regarding what's legal and what isn't. Conservatives tried to block showings of the movie because they couldn't go after the director or anyone else attached to the production for simply making it - they would have, if the law allowed them to. In fact this movie can still be viewed on Amazon Prime right now. Reposting the widely distributed Scorpions album cover certainly won't land you in trouble. Did you ever hear about the Scorpions or RCA Records (the label they were signed with) being prosecuted over it? No. And you won't find any court cases online either. RCA re-issued the album with a different cover in the US and some other countries because of negative public feedback, but no law required that, it was a business decision.

[Davros6]

My main issue about posting the pic wasn't the content, it was because it was going a bit off subject for this thread, but i have posted it on another thread relating to it.

On the subject of album covers, there was also the Blind Faith album cover featuring a girl who it's said was 11.[Image]

[deadman]

I hope what you say is true but the problem is not the public's reaction but a visit from the FBI and a stint in a federal prison, no matter if he is artistic he is still labeled as a cp.

My main issue about posting the pic wasn't the content, it was because it was going a bit off subject for this thread, but i have posted it on another thread relating to it.

Yeah, we've gone a bit off topic here.

Just wanted to let any fellow Americans on the board know we have a really high bar for banning or outlawing the mere possession of content. Censorship advocates are left using indirect methods to restrict stuff they don't like. If you have to comb the dark web looking for the kind of material you want, then worry about the FBI. Otherwise you're good.

Back to the thread topic: I've been very busy this week, in the next day or two I'll attempt to clean up those subtitles and get them properly synced all the way through.

[Night457]

And I thought that *I* was the only one who would go off-topic! Bind Faith now? I was tempted to create a new General thread called something like "Controversial album covers". (But I didn't.)

I did not see an actual link in this thread to the Scorpions album thread:
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It includes links to more information.

ON THE TOPIC of the subtitles: The girl's name is "Jagoda" and in the subtitles sometimes it stays that, sometimes it translates to "Strawberry".

[Davros6]

I believe the movies title translates as Strawberry Time

[Night457]

Indeed that is the English title. "Ko zorijo jagode" seems to translate literally to "When the strawberry / strawberries ripen". The title also references the girl's name "Jagoda", which means "Strawberry". In English "Cherry" is a girl's name, so that is not crazy. Personally I would go for the Slovenian name AS IS for the person. But whatever name a subtitler chooses, it should probably be consistent: ALL "Jagoda" or ALL "Strawberry". Either way I will not complain, because *I* am not the one doing the work. I just wanted to point it out.

[deadman]

Indeed that is the English title. "Ko zorijo jagode" seems to translate literally to "When the strawberry / strawberries ripen". The title also references the girl's name "Jagoda", which means "Strawberry". In English "Cherry" is a girl's name, so that is not crazy. Personally I would go for the Slovenian name AS IS for the person. But whatever name a subtitler chooses, it should probably be consistent: ALL "Jagoda" or ALL "Strawberry". Either way I will not complain, because *I* am not the one doing the work. I just wanted to point it out.

In this case I think using Strawberry is the best choice. Not only is this what a native Slovenian speaker sees, but there are multiple little jokes and affectionate comments comparing the girl to a strawberry - which largely go over the head of an English speaker reading the name Jagoda.

[Night457]

there are multiple little jokes and affectionate comments comparing the girl to a strawberry

I suspected as much, without actually having seen it yet. Your reasoning is sound.