I would like help understanding what I see as mistimed subs

[relic]

I am deaf so I time subs from facial movement. In the new Is Slottet the subs appear to me to be very much out of time. If you turn the sound off, so you are like me, does this happen for you?? Is it possible that my player, GOM , is the cause of the problem or that my system just can't keep up?
I don't remember at the moment whether te subs are too soon or too late (old age).
I would lke to read your observations. Thanks. Relic

[Night457]

I am always willing to take a look at subs. WHICH of the new versions are you talking about? Ghost's 4k upscale, DreamScape's rip, or DreamScape's full disk remux?

I remember that both girls are "mournful emo chicks" without dramatic facial expressions...

[relic]

Solved? It is either GOM or my computer. When the aunt says "Good evening sis Come in and warm up". The timing is different every time I look at it.
When I start from the beginning is the worst, backing up and running the scene again is better but not perfect. This isn't the only video where I notice this but it is the worst timing I have seen, I think.
I went back and looked again because I didn't remember which versions I was watching, they were DS's short version and your subs.
Sorry to bother you and thanks. Relic

[Night457]

NOTE: this post was composed before your newer post. I think what I wrote still mostly applies.

Is it possible that my player, GOM , is the cause of the problem or that my system just can't keep up?

Both of these are possibilities, particularly if you are playing ghost's 4k version. There does not seem to be anything wrong with the file and it is NOT encoded with the occasionally problematic-for-some H265 codec, but it IS 4k. I played it back on my 1080p laptop, but on my older laptop it might not have worked very well at all.

I checked all three versions I listed in my previous post.

I started by following the subtitles using SubtitleEdit. This meant I ripped the subtitles from each file separately so that I was using the "correct" subtitles for each. I am certainly not an experienced lip-reader but I do enjoy watching actresses TALK. This has nothing to do with what they are actually saying. I paid attention to the text appearing on screen rather than the meaning. I also checked the subtitle using the Waveform view in SubtitleEdit. I can see that they were generally appearing 100 to 300 milliseconds earlier than the beginning of speaking and extending that much or more after the end. This is typical for subtitles, surrounding the speech to give enough time to read the text but not making it noticeably out of sync. I also verified that the audio was in sync with the lip movements. This would not matter to you but it can indicate a problem with the file encoding. No problems found.

After that I focused mostly on GHOST'S most recent version as I figured that is probably the version you meant. From SubtitleEdit I had learned where exactly I should watch for the rather sparse dialog. I watched those scenes with VLC, mostly near the beginning and end. The text was in sync with the talking. There were plenty of shots with the speaker appearing on screen so I could watch her mouth moving. There were also a number of shots with the speaker OFF-screen and the camera on the other actress listening and not moving her wouth. The subtitles were NOT hyphenated or given any other indication that the speaker for that single line was off-screen. A deaf viewer would have to figure that out in context. I am sure you are very used to this in watching movies that do not have well-prepared SDH subtitles.

Continuing with ghost's version I downloaded GOM player for Windows. At first my Windows REJECTED THE DOWNLOAD from the gomlab site, claiming malware. I know this is not always true, but I tried a different download source from download.cnet.com. The download was not blocked. Interestingly, it changed my video playback defaults from VLC to (Windows) Media Player, which I have installed but do not use. (Don't worry, I easily fix these things all the time.) I played back select parts of the video in total silence, watching multiple scenes for subtitle sync. I did not see problems. I DID notice some occasional pausing or stuttering in the video playback that I had NOT noticed when I played it with VLC. I attributed this to the fact that the player was working to play a 4k file on my 1080p computer and that it was not quite as successful.

THEN... Gom player indicated that I did NOT have the most recent version. I allowed it to Update, with a direct player-initiated connection to the Gom website. I did NOT get any "virus" indications, but I DID make sure to reject all the optional bloatware they wanted me to install along with it. I played the video again with the Updated version. THIS time there were many spots where the video would briefly freeze or pause before moving on. Sometimes this made the subtitles slightly mistimed because they were playing around a video glitch. I then went back and checked the video again in VLC and did not see these problems. I reinstalled the "older" version of Gom and did not have all these problems. This tells me that THE LATEST UPDATE OF GOM IS FLAWED.

I do not know if you also use Windows or if you are also using the latest update.
The "old" version I downloaded from Cnet is 2.3.55.5319
The newest update prompted by the player is 2.3.103.5373

It is possible your computer has something to do with it because my 1080p laptop certainly has issues sometimes with 4k (2160p) files, especially with HDR. If I played ghost's file using my 4k BluRay player hooked to a hard drive then those issues should disappear. (But I have not done that yet.)

I suggest 3 things:
(1) Try the same 2160p file in VLC and see if there is a difference.
(2) Try DreamScape's 1080p rip (or the remux if you have it) in Gom and see if there is a difference.
(3) If Gom is updated, either roll back the update (if you know how to do that) or re-install a slightly "older" Gom version (such as from download.cnet.com) to see if THAT makes a difference. Of course your player will prompt you to update and you would have to say "No" at least while you are experimenting. You may need to wait for a later Update to fix the problems introduced in this one. I have had to do that with Windows itself recently and it is annoying.

I wish you luck.

[Night457]

It is either GOM or my computer.
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I went back and looked again because I didn't remember which versions I was watching, they were DS's short version and your subs.

I am worried it might be your computer but I do not want to be definite about that. I went back and checked DS's rip (3.28Gb file) with a freshly-downloaded copy of the recent subtitles I made to text SRT from the Remux. I did not find problems in SubtitleEdit, VLC or "older" Gom. I updated Gom again and still did not have problems with DreamScape's Rip. It was not hard to make the Updated Gom crash on ghost's 4k version by sliding the playback back-and-forth. However, the 4k file was not a problem for the "older" Gom player or for VLC. So that still indicates the most recent Gom is less than perfect.

I suggest downloading the free VLC and trying the video in it. I can see that it does not have quite the same subtitle-manipulation options that Gom has. (I did not quite figure out all that Gom can do with subtitles, but I understand its appeal for you.) Still, VLC is a solid player and it DOES play subtitles.

If VLC does not fix it then you need to look into seeing if your computer is updated, and if the updates are causing the problems. Ewwww yuck, I know, that is not fun and for me at least it mostly suspiciousness and guesswork. The October Windows update caused problems of a different sort for me (File Explorer issues) and I had to roll it back. So far so good with the November update, however.

[relic]

I have given vlc a bit of a worout, 10 or 12 movies, and it certainly runs smoother than gom. I looked at cnet and when you downloaded 2.3.55- there was another older version available, that is the version I was using. None of the old versions worked at all after I tried 2.3.55-, it removed something from windows that I wasn't able to restore. The latest version did work but was jerky and the subtitles had the worst timing I have seen. So much for gom, I don't intend to use it again. Back to vlc, it has an interesting feature, when there is no correctly named srt, it seems to collect random ones and displays subs that have no relation to the movie..Now if only I could figure out how to set the speed like in gom I would be very happy.
Thanks Night I appreciate all your help.
Relic

[DreamScape]

Back to vlc, it has an interesting feature, when there is no correctly named srt, it seems to collect random ones and displays subs that have no relation to the movie..

From what I have observed, VLC will find all subtitle files with a filename that contain the movie's filename. This could be a problem if you have a file named "episode 1.mkv" because it would match the subtitle files "episode 10.srt" and "episode 11.srt" etc and make things really confusing.

A second issue is that it only seems to match on latin alphanumerics. So if you have a movie with only Russian cyrillic letters in the filename, it will literally match every SRT in the same directory. Maybe this happened to you?

I have not seen it just go crazy and match anything for simply not finding an appropriate subtitle, but I also don't usually have many unrelated movies sitting next to each other.

[Night457]

So if you have a movie with only Russian cyrillic letters in the filename, it will literally match every SRT in the same directory. Maybe this happened to you?

I have not seen it just go crazy and match anything for simply not finding an appropriate subtitle, but I also don't usually have many unrelated movies sitting next to each other.

I remember seeing this happen too for Cyrillic titles, before I put every movie or TV series in its own separate folder.

Now if only I could figure out how to set the speed like in gom I would be very happy.

What exactly to you mean? The speed of the video playback? That is a slider in the lower right corner, and I think that it appears in the default installation GUI. Let me know what you mean and I should be able to figure out if VLC offers it and how to enable what you want, if you haven't already figured it out yourself.