[REL] Nie bede cie kochac (1974)

[BugMeNot9999]

Aside from the different lengths of the versions released in Sweden and East Germany, it is important to find out what the length of the original version was.
In this regard, IMDb has 81 minutes and 2268m, while Swedish Film Database has the same length in meters, but different in minutes (83). So obviously one between IMDb and Swedish Film Database is wrong.
Since the version released in East Germany (according to DEFA) has a length of 85 minutes and 2304m, doing a simple arithmetic proportion the solution gives an original version of just over 83 minutes, thus proving right what the Swedish Film Database writes.

85 is to 2304 as X is to 2268

X = 83.67

[BugMeNot9999]

Two final considerations.
The first is that, as written by Polish websites, Grażyna Michalska never wanted to talk about that scene. Obviously this is not a proof that the scene showed more. She could have been simply shocked by how we see it in the 81-minute version, or by other things that happened during the filming.

https://natemat.pl/365661,kim-jest-graz ... mie-motyle

The second is about a Polish forum, where a user (Capitol-Deli) talks about this film, which he claims to have treated as a thesis for his diploma. Here is an excerpt in Polish, I prefer you translate it yourself so you can get an idea of ​​what he meant:

"Nie wiem czy widziałeś pełną, nieocenzurowaną wersję "Nie będę Cię kochać"... To jedyny w polskiej kinematografii reżyser, który sięgnął po tematykę psychologii dziecięcej. Wiem o czym pisze - bo u licha - to była moja część pracy dyplomowej. Ale i w tejże miałem wątpliwości... co napisać, żeby nie przekroczyć pewnego progu. Progu - którego te trzydzieści lat temu nie było."

"Scena o której wspomniałem - dziś nie miała by prawa zaistnieć. Nie chodzi o nagość 13-latki, ukazaną przed lustrem... ale o czynności, które w tym czasie wykonuje - i które są jednoznaczne. Poznaje własne ciało, uczy się go."

http://www.forum.polskiekino.com.pl/vie ... p?f=4&t=67
http://www.forum.polskiekino.com.pl/vie ... 7&start=12

[Sully23]

At first I thought it wasn't true and that there would be no proof of it, but BugMeNot999 is right, it seems to indicate that after the controversy with the mirror the scene was edited. if I think about those 2 minutes I guess that the look in the mirror was longer than it seems, something very similar to Ko zorijo jagode (1978).
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[deadman]

Well damn - that scene was actually two minutes longer! So most of it is missing.

Another thing I just noticed. After the skip her body is a lot wetter than before, like she's been sweating heavily. One can infer what she must have been doing for two minutes or so. Wow. The unedited version of this film would be quite a find. We'll probably never see it, but who knows? Lots of movies I would have said the same thing about have gone on to be released and they're still less prudish in eastern Europe. Maybe someone will release at least a streaming version eventually.

[BugMeNot9999]

At first I thought it wasn't true and that there would be no proof of it, but BugMeNot999 is right, it seems to indicate that after the controversy with the mirror the scene was edited. if I think about those 2 minutes I guess that the look in the mirror was longer than it seems, something very similar to Ko zorijo jagode (1978).
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I must confess that I am the one who wrote these trivia (I have an IMDb account). I had long suspected that the scene had been edited and wanted to provoke someone who had read them and cotributed in research (I didn't know this forum yet).

[BugMeNot9999]

Well damn - that scene was actually two minutes longer! So most of it is missing.

Another thing I just noticed. After the skip her body is a lot wetter than before, like she's been sweating heavily. One can infer what she must have been doing for two minutes or so. Wow. The unedited version of this film would be quite a find. We'll probably never see it, but who knows? Lots of movies I would have said the same thing about have gone on to be released and they're still less prudish in eastern Europe. Maybe someone will release at least a streaming version eventually.

I agree with Sully23, I too think the scene was similar to the one in Ko zorijo jagode, but perhaps more explicit (the way the Polish forum user tells it) and certainly more controversial because both the character and the actress are younger.
But even if explicit, I don't think it was pornographic (Janusz Nasfeter was a famous director).

[BugMeNot9999]

The peculiar thing is that by searching Polish sites (because in my experience it is better to look for news about films where the film was made), you have descriptions of the scene as we see it in the 81-minute version. Only in that forum is the truth written.
In my opinion, the explanation is that 50 years have passed since the film was shown in the cinema and since the scene was probably censored from the first appearance on TV, today no one has any memory of how it was originally. The Polish forum user, having to do a thesis, was probably able to get the original copy through specific channels.

[deadman]

I agree with Sully23, I too think the scene was similar to the one in Ko zorijo jagode, but perhaps more explicit (the way the Polish forum user tells it) and certainly more controversial because both the character and the actress are younger.
But even if explicit, I don't think it was pornographic (Janusz Nasfeter was a famous director).

Clearly whatever is in the missing two minutes is a little more risque than Irena Kranjc's scene in Ko zorijo jagode or they would have left it in there. But no, it wouldn't have been outright pornographic. I imagine something more like one of the Schulmädchen-Report films with scenes involving actresses of that age - explicit enough to be scandalous, but unless you're a religious conservative you wouldn't call it porn. They're just showing the sort of things actual teenagers do in private.

The peculiar thing is that by searching Polish sites (because in my experience it is better to look for news about films where the film was made), you have descriptions of the scene as we see it in the 81-minute version. Only in that forum is the truth written.
In my opinion, the explanation is that 50 years have passed since the film was shown in the cinema and since the scene was probably censored from the first appearance on TV, today no one has any memory of how it was originally. The Polish forum user, having to do a thesis, was probably able to get the original copy through specific channels.

If someone (preferably someone who speaks Polish) could actually contact that poster, say through PM, maybe those specific channels are still open. Or he'd be willing to share what he has.

[Davros6]

Whatever did happen in the bathroom, the teddy bear saw it all

[deadman]

Whatever did happen in the bathroom, the teddy bear saw it all

I pulled out half his stuffing, but Mr. Fuzzy still wasn't talking.