[REL] Maladolescenza (1977)

[Sully23]

Director Murgia shot the film in Austria to bypass Italian censorship, so the rules were in place back then as well, but not everywhere. The film also faced heavy criticism upon its release. Here is the headline from Corriere della Sera (Italy's main newspaper): 'In the film of shame, two twelve-year-old porn stars'.
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Some countries had legal loopholes, in fact it didn't even occur to them to do it in Denmark where it was technically legal and I believe Japan until 2011 also allowed that kind of content, I suppose in Italy that kind of adult erotic cinema was common but I see a contradiction the film is Italian if it was filmed in Austria perhaps it was because of the location and not because it was allowed.

[BugMeNot9999]

Some countries had legal loopholes, in fact it didn't even occur to them to do it in Denmark where it was technically legal and I believe Japan until 2011 also allowed that kind of content, I suppose in Italy that kind of adult erotic cinema was common but I see a contradiction the film is Italian if it was filmed in Austria perhaps it was because of the location and not because it was allowed.

"fu girato in Austria per evitare la censura italiana"
(https://it.paperblog.com/pier-giuseppe-murgia-556875/)

"girato, quasi tutto in esterni, nella permissiva austria"
(https://books.google.it/books?id=TzPMCQAAQBAJ&pg=PA132)

"Per scavalcare il divieto di utilizzare dei ragazzini in scene boccacesche , il film è stato girato nella permissiva Austria"
(https://books.google.it/books?id=k4Y7AQ ... permissiva')

"Girato all’epoca in Austria per evitare l’arresto ed il blocco del film in Italia"
(http://www.horrorestremo.it/maladolescenza/)

[voyagerabba]

It’s almost never that black & white or simple.

As Sully already said: different times = different laws, different „morals“. We’re talking about a time when you could still bear your wife or kids legally and women in many countries still had far less rights.

Also, The Film got outlawed in countries like Germany some years after the initial release if I remember correctly?

You could argue it’s CP done under the disguise of a fiction/drama cinema movie. Imho The film is so „dirty“ because it focus way too long & too much on genitals etc.

Remember some argued (in Netherlands I think) that „Het Debuut“ or „Schatjes“ are also CP due to the sex scenes with 16yo actresses.

Also interesting how we haven’t gotten a proper release of that Argentinian film where the actresses had long lesbian sex scene.

First, don't send PM for a copy of a film which is not to be shared in this forum.

Second, the age of consent is 16 in Holland, so it wasn't a problem with 16 year-old Akkemay Elderenbos in Schatjes, or 18 year old Marina de Graaf in Het Debuut. Of course some people, especially religious people could complain, protest, some journalists could write "hey that's a porn", some people could say "this is wrong", lots of arguments can happen... But in the end, the age of consent matters.

"it was 50 years ago, there were no regulations"...

No regulations even about the age of consent? Are we talking about Italy, the home of renaissance, the home of art, or are we talking about some Amazon tribes living in Stone Age?

[Sully23]

"it was 50 years ago, there were no regulations"...

No regulations even about the age of consent? Are we talking about Italy, the home of renaissance, the home of art, or are we talking about some Amazon tribes living in Stone Age?

You think that would be allowed today and I'm going to reveal those questions I asked the AI ​​months ago I know you're going to laugh that it's not reliable but I'll still explain the fact there is the coordinator of sensitive scenes the psychologist and a lot of people and let's suppose that were allowed at least they give the actors a talk and also at that time that didn't exist the director could do whatever he wanted if Roman Polanski had directed it he would be another victim, Irina didn't care about turning her daughter into a lolita, that explains why her mother induced her to act in the film and take photos.

[Davros6]

I know it's probably been said elsewhere, but at the end of the day they were acting, as far as I'm aware no actual sex took place (on camera) I've never heard anyone calling Arnold Schwarzenegger a murderer for shooting all those people in the films he's made.
This is what annoys me, especially with the American society, a bit of underage nudity in films is a big no no, but lots of guns, blood, violence and death is fine

[Sully23]

This is what annoys me, especially with the American society, a bit of underage nudity in films is a big no no, but lots of guns, blood, violence and death is fine

Paul Verhoeven He is a critic of American society, it can be seen in his works such as Robocop or Starship, on a set some actors refused to film a nude scene, later he claimed he did not understand Americans because they liked violence rather than nudity (perhaps Sharon Stone sent him her message with the slap) proof of this Showgirls was a misunderstood film, people saw it as a cheap spectacle, I do not think it is a film, he was trying to show a criticism through that film.

Spoiler: I liked movies where there's violence and then sex and nudity in the middle of the film better. It's a shame that doesn't apply to recent films.

[citronleaf]

For the male+female group shower scene in "Starship Troopers" the young American actors were nervous, and director Verhoeven was challenged by one of the actresses to take off his clothes too if he did not think it was such a big deal. He and his cinematographer Jost Vacano were old European hippies so they happily obliged on set.

[goku33]

First, don't send PM for a copy of a film which is not to be shared in this forum.

You have to differentiate between films that are not FLM-Related/On-Topic and films that are not allowed to be posted or discussed on here. Maybe work on your English.

Second, the age of consent is 16 in Holland, so it wasn't a problem with 16 year-old Akkemay Elderenbos in Schatjes, or 18 year old Marina de Graaf in Het Debuut. Of course some people, especially religious people could complain, protest, some journalists could write "hey that's a porn", some people could say "this is wrong", lots of arguments can happen... But in the end, the age of consent matters.

No regulations even about the age of consent?

You got the age of Marina wrong, she wasn’t 18 during filming.

Also, Child pornography laws are not tightly tied to the age of consent as far as I understand. Age of consent in Germany is 14yo, but that doesn’t mean 14yo‘s are allowed to Star in hardcore pornography.

[goku33]

I know it's probably been said elsewhere, but at the end of the day they were acting, as far as I'm aware no actual sex took place (on camera) I've never heard anyone calling Arnold Schwarzenegger a murderer for shooting all those people in the films he's made.
This is what annoys me, especially with the American society, a bit of underage nudity in films is a big no no, but lots of guns, blood, violence and death is fine

I mean the Film that This thread is about, isn’t about some innocent brief underage nudity.

[Davros6]

I think we've had this argument before about what classified as being pornography, as some think just being topless or naked is classed as being pornography, and some think actual sex is classed as pornography. As there have been quite a few films that have had underage girls that have been naked or topless, because of a shower scene or a changing scene, and these haven't been classed as pornography