[REL] Mario und der Zauberer (1994)

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deadman wrote: Sun Nov 16, 2025 10:19 pm That beach scene originally featured the boys wrestling with her and pulling off her swimsuit a little at a time. We see several takes of that version in the BTS video. Ultimately they decided to go with a much shorter sequence where one boy pulls until the strap on her left shoulder breaks, then she removes the suit herself.
The original scene called for in the script was more fun! There was nothing sexual about it, they weren't trying to assault her, it was just a group of kids playing, I'm not sure why they felt the need to cut it short. :(
There's nothing sexual about it, but I think the scene would have been too violent. It's worth noting that in the Thomas Mann's story on which the film is based, Sophie Fuhrmann is only 8 years old (and looks younger), and she takes off her dress and goes into the sea to wash it because it's stained with sand, not because it's torn, as happens in the film:

"Our small daughter - eight years old, but in physical development a good year younger and thin as a chicken - had had a good long bathe and gone playing in the warm sun in her wet costume. We told her that she might take off her bathing-suit, which was stiff with sand, rinse it in the sea, and put it on again, after which she must take care to keep it cleaner. Off goes the costume and she runs down naked to the sea, rinses her little jersey, and comes back."

Obviously, the director reserves the right to make changes (there are other, far more significant differences between the film and the book), but I honestly don't know what was going through Brandauer's mind when he wanted to construct that scene in such a violent way.
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BugMeNot9999 wrote: Mon Nov 17, 2025 5:52 pmObviously, the director reserves the right to make changes (there are other, far more significant differences between the film and the book), but I honestly don't know what was going through Brandauer's mind when he wanted to construct that scene in such a violent way.

I didn't realize that. Haven't read the book myself. I get the sense that, being a different time and given their ages, the boys saw this as a harmless prank. Sophie didn't seem excessively bothered by it either. Why the director wanted to go that route (and later toned it down) is hard to say. Maybe because it makes her eventual nakedness something that was done to her, not her own choice?
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deadman wrote: Mon Nov 17, 2025 7:23 pm
BugMeNot9999 wrote: Mon Nov 17, 2025 5:52 pmObviously, the director reserves the right to make changes (there are other, far more significant differences between the film and the book), but I honestly don't know what was going through Brandauer's mind when he wanted to construct that scene in such a violent way.

I didn't realize that. Haven't read the book myself. I get the sense that, being a different time and given their ages, the boys saw this as a harmless prank. Sophie didn't seem excessively bothered by it either. Why the director wanted to go that route (and later toned it down) is hard to say. Maybe because it makes her eventual nakedness something that was done to her, not her own choice?
Well, yes, it seems to be a choice related to the decision to increase the character's age to 10-11 (the same age as Nina Schweser).
In the story, that scene (inspired by a true event that occurred to Mann during a vacation in Italy in 1926) contrasts the naturalness with which a little girl's nudity is viewed by the German family on vacation with the scandalous effect it inspires among Italian vacationers.
But if at an 8-year-old, the choice to undress on the beach might have been considered natural, it was less so at 10-11, and perhaps for this reason (but this is just my interpretation) the director chose to resort to forced nudity (which was later toned down).
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BugMeNot9999 wrote: Mon Nov 17, 2025 5:52 pm but I honestly don't know what was going through Brandauer's mind when he wanted to construct that scene in such a violent way.
It wasn't violent at all; it was just meant to be a children's game. If they break her swimsuit strap, maybe it wasn't part of the plan, but they left it in the movie. I think originally Nina, covered in sand, takes off her garment and rinses herself off (I suppose there wasn't going to be nudity, but the actress spontaneously washes herself and the director had a lightbulb moment), which causes a public scandal with the locals.
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Sully23 wrote: Tue Nov 18, 2025 2:37 am
BugMeNot9999 wrote: Mon Nov 17, 2025 5:52 pm but I honestly don't know what was going through Brandauer's mind when he wanted to construct that scene in such a violent way.
It wasn't violent at all; it was just meant to be a children's game. If they break her swimsuit strap, maybe it wasn't part of the plan, but they left it in the movie. I think originally Nina, covered in sand, takes off her garment and rinses herself off (I suppose there wasn't going to be nudity, but the actress spontaneously washes herself and the director had a lightbulb moment), which causes a public scandal with the locals.
When I said “violent,” I was referring to the scene shown in the making-of (they rip her swimsuit off), not how it appears in the film.
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It's not easy to control extras, especially children, and how they have to act out a scene. As I said before, the damaged garment was spontaneous and they left it in the final cut.
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Sully23 wrote: Tue Nov 18, 2025 2:46 am It's not easy to control extras, especially children, and how they have to act out a scene. As I said before, the damaged garment was spontaneous and they left it in the final cut.
The nudity was supposed to be there (it's in the book), it's not the actress's idea!
You're talking a load of nonsense...
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BugMeNot9999 wrote: Tue Nov 18, 2025 2:49 am
Sully23 wrote: Tue Nov 18, 2025 2:46 am It's not easy to control extras, especially children, and how they have to act out a scene. As I said before, the damaged garment was spontaneous and they left it in the final cut.
The nudity was supposed to be there (it's in the book), it's not the actress's idea!
You're talking a load of nonsense...
These aren't silly ideas; they're just assumptions or speculations, and in the end, we won't know if they're true or not.

As we all know, adapting a book into a film inevitably leaves many things out, and that's why one might think that scene was going to be discarded, but we'll never know for sure.
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Sully23 wrote: Tue Nov 18, 2025 2:37 amit was just meant to be a children's game.
I am not so sure about that, because of the hostility to foreigners of both the children who "belonged" there and also the creepy mob of adults backing them up. (And I don't believe that the torn swimsuit was just an accident, but that is debatable.)

I do not understand much German so I have to rely on the subtitles.
Excerpt:
Spoiler:

525
00:58:09,035 --> 00:58:10,715
[MAIN BOY] Damn German witch!

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00:58:11,863 --> 00:58:12,613
[MAIN BOY] You stupid manatee!

527
00:58:12,638 --> 00:58:13,363
[GIRL] Hee!

528
00:58:15,173 --> 00:58:16,693
[GIRL] Stop! Stop!

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00:58:18,952 --> 00:58:19,992
[BOY] Get out of here!

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00:58:20,958 --> 00:58:23,424
[BOY] Get out of here, this is our beach.

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00:58:25,212 --> 00:58:27,050
[GIRL] You cowards, you are going to get it!

532
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:28,160
[BOY] Go get out of here.

533
00:58:28,252 --> 00:58:29,859
[GIRL] I am not afraid.
[BOY] -Get lost.

534
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:31,626
[BOY] Get out of here.

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00:58:31,721 --> 00:58:34,054
[BOY] Get off our beach.

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00:58:34,090 --> 00:58:35,359
[GIRL] No, leave me alone.

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00:58:35,484 --> 00:58:37,478
[BOY] Didn't you hear
to get out of here?

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[GIRL] Au.

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00:58:38,404 --> 00:58:40,599
[BOY] That's enough, I hope you understood.

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[ADULT] This is a foreigner.

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01:00:03,301 --> 01:00:06,134
[MAIN BOY] She is a dirty, naked,
disgusting foreigner.

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01:00:06,208 --> 01:00:07,475
[ANOTHER ADULT] Stop saying that, please.

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01:00:07,593 --> 01:00:08,866
[3rd ADULT] You are not allowed to do that here.

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01:00:08,958 --> 01:00:10,855
[MAIN BOY] Who even asked you to come here?
I see it as Thomas Mann's as well as Brandauer's comment on xenophobia - but that is the limit of what I will say about politics!

As for the book I kept trying downloading ebooks at annas-archive.org but the ones that said German and English were German for the actual original text and English only for the critical commentary. I was annoyed that I could not find an English translation of the text online. It is short so I can read the book in one sitting -- and do without the commentary. Has anyone else found an English translation available for free?
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Night457 wrote: Tue Nov 18, 2025 3:32 am As for the book I kept trying downloading ebooks at annas-archive.org but the ones that said German and English were German for the actual original text and English only for the critical commentary. I was annoyed that I could not find an English translation of the text online. It is short so I can read the book in one sitting -- and do without the commentary. Has anyone else found an English translation available for free?
https://hackneybooks.co.uk/books/118/11 ... ician.html
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