Regarding Shorts

[starfish21]

i absolutely detest the word 'ot' and your interpretation BLT is even worse.
i think if Pop wants to start a new section for shorts that would be fine,but there would be a lot of shorts that probably wouldn't qualify according to the rules most likely to be laid down,where would they go?
probably into the aforementioned mess.

[ptguardian]

I hope I don't have to explain it in moar detail...

BLT Please don't!!

lets try to stay "on topic" with the discussion on short films. instead of YOUR ideal as to what you want this forum to be.

[BizarreLoveTriangle]

i absolutely detest the word 'ot' and your interpretation BLT is even worse.

What is FLM about, then? Any movies that have a glimpse of a child in it? Any movies with (female) youth <=18yo with at least 10% screentime? Why did we have that discussion about [REL] Assol (1982) if it *obviously* matches FLM criteria?

Both popdrome & FLL have opened this up as a discussion to get feedback/ideas from members about releasing shorts. It isn't only your opinion that counts here.....

I just provided my opinion.

.....or to put it another way, consider my comments aimed at the engineer, rather than the oil-rag.

[Phuzzy4242]

What category does a film fall into if it's "only" 19:45? Is a 10 minute professional film NOT a short? I think we're splitting hairs and that a short film is any professionally-made film that isn't feature length or made for a standard television timeslot.

I agree that "home movies" aren't appropriate but I don't think IMDb should be the final word. Maybe if a film isn't listed at any of IMDb, RFF, LMA, or CiC, but even then I wouldn't completely prohibit them. Some of the best films I've seen have been shorts - what a shame if we're kept from seeing something great because of hidebound rules.

suitable if a (female) youth <=18yo with at least 10% screentime. No amateur stuff.

I mostly agree with popdrome about what FLM material is (though I'd bump the max age down to 16). Just because a film happens to have characters of an appropriate age doesn't make it an FLM movie. The characters have to be more than stage props and appear for more than a few seconds - in other words, their role couldn't be filled by a cardboard cutout. By the same token, they don't have to be the central characters.

I doubt we'll ever have complete agreement on what "OT" means, but I certainly don't want to hear "moar" about the definition certain people use. If that's the only thing you watch a film for, there are other avenues you can take without ruining it for the rest of us.

I see no problem with having a separate section for shorts. I see no problem with NOT having a separate section for shorts. Creating a a new section will be a lot of work for the admins - you have my support either way.

[BizarreLoveTriangle]

on a side note
I am willing to bet that the short BLT is referring to as his favorite is another PEE video. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0309811/.

You're gonna win the bet

https://www.first-loves.com/forums/v ... 653#p42653

Thanks again, gillesvolta!!!!!

This short is very difficult to find here, because "lot" is a common word and it does not appear in title, which would give the thread a higher rank.

I think a shorts section would be great, similar to music videos! However, more prominent, professionally produced shorts could be posted in release section.

[katzenjammer]

Agree fully with Phuzzy4242s questions in first section of post. Up here in Nordic countries the national film boards has supported lots of short movies, lengths 7-25 mins of the reason that it fits childrens attention span perfect.

When it comes to IMDB-listings, this can't be the final word as many nordic docus aren't listed at all. For info on those you have to go to the websites of the national film boards or national broadcasters.

[popdrome]

LOL! omg boys WAY out of proportion, but let me react;

first of all, I *just merely* posted some guidelines along which I will post my upcoming posts.. ok? ok.

I am NOT in favor NOR against IMDb. YES shorts shorter than 20 minutes are shorts! lol ...

I don't get. You mean music videos should be posted in release section? Or all mixed up

Music video's - I don't particularly visit FLM for that, do you? IOW - there are other sources for that.

Personally, I like the simple idea of LostMoviesArchive.com: suitable if a (female) youth <=18yo with at least 10% screentime. No amateur stuff.

Anybody who prefers these rules can visit LMA, so we don't need to apply the same rules here.

WTF? completely respectless and uncalled for.. I provide these info's, pix, links and all that jazz for you.. you can use it (most likely) or ignore it (most unlikely)...

Just curious popdrome.....why nothing under 20 minutes?
Personally, I'd like to see a separate section with a somewhat clearer definition of what can be posted or not. We know IMDB sucks but it's still the yardstick we use for other releases.(...)

I'm interpreting popdrome's post as 'intent to release'

My point exactly. No... 20 minutes was a choice based on the YT and Vimeo threads,
not 1 vid posted there is longer than 21 minutes.. That's why.

Just because a film happens to have characters of an appropriate age doesn't make it an FLM movie. The characters have to be more than stage props and appear for more than a few seconds - in other words, their role couldn't be filled by a cardboard cutout. By the same token, they don't have to be the central characters.(..)I see no problem with NOT having a separate section for shorts. Creating a a new section will be a lot of work for the admins - you have my support either way.

My point EXACTLY

However, more prominent, professionally produced shorts could be posted in release section.

My point EVEN more exactly =8)

[starfish21]

that must've been fun POP,answering all that in one post.

[ptguardian]

I certainly had fun reading it

[BizarreLoveTriangle]

LOL! omg boys WAY out of proportion, but let me react;

first of all, I *just merely* posted some guidelines along which I will post my upcoming posts.. ok? ok.

"we should apply the same rule to short film" does not sound like just merely a guideline for your own posts.

I am NOT in favor NOR against IMDb. YES shorts shorter than 20 minutes are shorts! lol ...

And good ones!!! In fact, I'd call gillesvolta the king of short shorts!

Music video's - I don't particularly visit FLM for that, do you? IOW - there are other sources for that.

Sure I visit FLM for music videos. There are also other sources for movies, you know.

Well, hmm, do you know other *good* sources for music videos (if you know what I mean)?

WTF? completely respectless and uncalled for.. I provide these info's, pix, links and all that jazz for you.. you can use it (most likely) or ignore it (most unlikely)...

I do appreciate your jazz, but we still don't have to apply the same rules here.

Just because a film happens to have characters of an appropriate age doesn't make it an FLM movie. The characters have to be more than stage props and appear for more than a few seconds - in other words, their role couldn't be filled by a cardboard cutout. By the same token, they don't have to be the central characters.(..)I see no problem with NOT having a separate section for shorts. Creating a a new section will be a lot of work for the admins - you have my support either way.

My point EXACTLY

Not agreed. If there are nice visual moments, then the movie should be posted here, regardless of how big roles the children have. We do want moar^H^Hre movies like [REL] Der Baader Meinhof Komplex (2008).

However, more prominent, professionally produced shorts could be posted in release section.

My point EVEN more exactly =8)

And length is not important! For example, "LOT" would certainly be worth to have its own thread! BTW, the author of "LOT" is a well-known actress and director, so it's made quite professionally.

Phew