[REL] Saint-Cyr - (2000)

[deadman]

"Au moment du tournage, de janvier à mars 1999, Nina avait toutjuste 12 ans et son enfance la protégeait encore… "
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If those filming dates are accurate then you're right, she would've been 12. I think what threw me is that Nina apparently claimed to be 10 during the shoot (this is what several sources reported) but what she actually said was that she got the role when she was 10. The date of birth listed on IMDb - which everyone else copied - is just wrong.

This is the second time I've disputed your information and turned out to be mistaken. Last time it was Dawn Dunlap and Laura (1979). Maybe before I post a movie, I should forward the name to you and let you do the research on the actresses!

[BugMeNot9999]

If those filming dates are accurate then you're right, she would've been 12. I think what threw me is that Nina apparently claimed to be 10 during the shoot (this is what several sources reported) but what she actually said was that she got the role when she was 10. The date of birth listed on IMDb - which everyone else copied - is just wrong.
This is the second time I've disputed your information and turned out to be mistaken. Last time it was Dawn Dunlap and Laura (1979). Maybe before I post a movie, I should forward the name to you and let you do the research on the actresses!

Thanks Deadman, but of course the doubt remains.
My curiosity about her birth date is related to her accusations.
If she was really 10 years old, I think her scenes can really be defined as traumatic (especially the second one). But if she was 12, I think the thing is a little less serious.

[deadman]

Thanks Deadman, but of course the doubt remains.
My curiosity about her birth date is related to her accusations.
If she was really 10 years old, I think her scenes can really be defined as traumatic (especially the second one). But if she was 12, I think the thing is a little less serious.

Actually I think a preadolescent would find that scene less traumatic. More like pretend fighting. Assuming she wasn't slammed into the tree too roughly by accident and injured, that's no fun.

The fear a woman in that position would usually feel requires at least some budding awareness of sexuality, even at the subconscious level of children on the borderline. In that second scene it's obvious Nina had reached puberty. She would definitely have had a gut reaction to being touched in certain places, even if she couldn't quite articulate why it bothered her. Child actors are often precocious and directors make the mistake of treating them too much like adults. They're so focused on getting the film in the can that they miss signs one of their young stars is having a problem - but may be reluctant to speak up, or is trying to but no one is paying attention.

[BugMeNot9999]

The fear a woman in that position would usually feel requires at least some budding awareness of sexuality, even at the subconscious level of children on the borderline. In that second scene it's obvious Nina had reached puberty. She would definitely have had a gut reaction to being touched in certain places, even if she couldn't quite articulate why it bothered her. Child actors are often precocious and directors make the mistake of treating them too much like adults. They're so focused on getting the film in the can that they miss the signs one of their young stars is having a problem but is reluctant to speak up.

I agree with you. In fact when I was talking about the second scene, I mean the one of self-flagellation. In this regard, Nina when the film was made said:

"Le tournage reste un bon souvenir, même s'il y a eu des moments durs : je pense à la scène de la flagellation que j'appréhendais beaucoup. A juste titre : il faisait froid. Patricia me disait: "Plus fort, plus fort". Et je lui en voulais tellement que je m'imaginais la frapper, elle, et que je frappais plus fort!"
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[deadman]

I agree with you. In fact when I was talking about the second scene, I mean the one of self-flagellation. In this regard, Nina when the film was made said:

"Le tournage reste un bon souvenir, même s'il y a eu des moments durs : je pense à la scène de la flagellation que j'appréhendais beaucoup. A juste titre : il faisait froid. Patricia me disait: "Plus fort, plus fort". Et je lui en voulais tellement que je m'imaginais la frapper, elle, et que je frappais plus fort!"
(https://diaphana.fr/wp-content/uploads/ ... nt-cyr.pdf)

I would've thought being topless was the hard part. If she wasn't self-conscious about that though, I suppose multiple takes of hitting yourself with a switch would be pretty unpleasant. There's only so gentle you can be without the scene looking fake - like a fight where the actors are very obviously and visibly pulling their punches. I'm sure Nina ended up with lingering redness on that shoulder and maybe a little bruising.

[Skalman]

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[slozleek]

https://bullesdeculture.com/interview-nina-meurisse/

Bulles de Culture : Saint-Cyr est votre premier film et votre première expérience en tant que comédienne.
Nina Meurisse : Oui, j’avais dix ans et demi.

In this interview from 2017, she very specifically states she was 10 1/2 when filming this. Which ties in with the 1999 filming, if she was born in 1988...

She mentions being 10 later in the interview too

Patricia Mazuy était très dure là-dessus et elle avait raison. L’idée est que la caméra est un microscope et on sent tout de suite quand on triche. Elle disait : “Il faut que tu vives la scène”. Surtout à dix ans, quand on a aucune technique, il faut mieux être dans un truc assez réaliste.

[BugMeNot9999]

https://bullesdeculture.com/interview-nina-meurisse/

Bulles de Culture : Saint-Cyr est votre premier film et votre première expérience en tant que comédienne.
Nina Meurisse : Oui, j’avais dix ans et demi.

In this interview from 2017, she very specifically states she was 10 1/2 when filming this. Which ties in with the 1999 filming, if she was born in 1988...

She mentions being 10 later in the interview too

Patricia Mazuy était très dure là-dessus et elle avait raison. L’idée est que la caméra est un microscope et on sent tout de suite quand on triche. Elle disait : “Il faut que tu vives la scène”. Surtout à dix ans, quand on a aucune technique, il faut mieux être dans un truc assez réaliste.

Nina always said she was 10 or 10 and a half during filming. But it was the director Patricia Mazuy who said she was 12, hence my doubt about her birth date. One of them is definitely remembering wrong.

[Sue04]

Could anyone find English subtitles?

[David32441]

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The edit in the film could never be described as a rape scene. It lasts about 5 seconds where she's pushed against a tree, the guy pulls at the layers of dresses for a few seconds and then is interrupted before any hand gets near to being under her dress. Maybe a far longer version was filmed. But I would not believe that what was shown would leave any trauma. This is like 1-2 on a 1-10 scale of an "attack". The self-whipping with the branch looks far more traumatising, or is it just great acting, I presume what she's using wasn't causing real blood, pain or injury.