[REL] Hijos de la Sal (2018) [Venezuela]

[voyagerabba]

The one respect in which I find SC deficient is that it often gets ages wrong. Usually because they don't check exact dates of birth and production dates, when available. But also if films are shot and then not released for several years. They seem to rely mostly on the release date.

I think they mean Terry was 13 during filming. He looks it, and was almost certainly no older than 14. María had apparently just graduated from film school at the time - so 22 fits. There's almost no personal information available about either of the leads. She only made a brief appearance in one other movie. He never acted again.

I wouldn't call it one of the most controversial of all time. But you really have to watch the entirety of it to get the impact. Maybe it's just me, but I have a hard time feeling awkward about incest in movies. I know the actors aren't actually related and that's how I tend to view the scenes. There's a lot more to this movie than that though. The violence and general toxicity of the whole situation is shocking in a bunch of different ways.

I found the subtitles were a little off sync, displaying about one second later than the spoken lines. There were also a few minor grammatical and word errors. So I fixed them and made two different versions: regular and SDH - for those who don't know, SDH is the one with the hearing impaired extras like [phone ringing]. Then I created a remux of jezevex's file containing both sets of subs. You can download it from either of these links:

[Code] [Code]
If you already have the jezevex version and just want the corrected subs:


Hijos de la Sal (2018).1080p.web-dl.en.srt
Hijos de la Sal (2018).1080p.web-dl.SDH.en.srt

Thank you very much. There are lots of incest-themed movies out there, but I don't call all of them "controversial". This movie is different in many aspects.

Maria was 27 in 2020, that makes her 22 in 2015:
https://www.facebook.com/Magiadelcine/p ... 340402724/

A photo of them during the shootings in Summer 2015:
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=944262845614836

A new-graduated girl and a local boy with no acting experience at all... They both won awards. Courage should always be rewarded.

[Sully23]

Thank you very much. There are lots of incest-themed movies out there, but I don't call all of them "controversial". This movie is different in many aspects.

Incest will be a controversial topic not because it is taboo but because it is unlikely to be normalized. Where it does not generate controversy is in House of the Dragon where there is a relationship between uncle and niece and it is not controversial because it is a fictional story based on facts where royalty was endogamous.

[citronleaf]

What about the brother-sister relationship of Jaime and Cersei Lannister? In the GoT context wasn't that considered a scandalous secret? Didn't Jaime throw a child-prince out a window when they were discovered? Or was that simply because Cersei was otherwise married, until King Robert died anyway? I am not sure that their relationship was considered normal.

And there was the uncomfortably close relationship of Daenerys Targaryen and her creepy older brother.

Of course, I thought the entire premise of GoT was that the whole lot of them were an unabashedly depraved bunch.

[voyagerabba]

Incest will be a controversial topic not because it is taboo but because it is unlikely to be normalized. Where it does not generate controversy is in House of the Dragon where there is a relationship between uncle and niece and it is not controversial because it is a fictional story based on facts where royalty was endogamous.

There are also "a little real incest" in movies, like real-life siblings or real father-daughter making out in a movie. But it's just acting, it's fictional like the story itself.

Anne Bennent & Heinz Bennent in Lulu, 1980
Chyler Leigh & Christopher Khayman Lee in Kickboxing Academy, 1997
Eloise Lovell Anderson & Sophie Lovell Anderson in The Bastard Executioner, Season 1, 2015
Laura Bellini & Sarah Bellini in Trust, Season 1, 2018

I'm sure there's more...

Deadman says "I know the actors aren't related, so I'm not disgusted". If he watches these, maybe he can change his mind

For me, it's just acting, I don't think based on the degree of kinship between the actors. A movie is a just fiction. An illusion. All I look for is a solid fiction, not a stupid one, like a Nazi story on the Moon

[ferdi111]

That boy was so drunk so his granddad was his body double and demonstrated him how to do with girls

[deadman]

What about the brother-sister relationship of Jaime and Cersei Lannister? In the GoT context wasn't that considered a scandalous secret? Didn't Jaime throw a child-prince out a window when they were discovered? Or was that simply because Cersei was otherwise married, until King Robert died anyway? I am not sure that their relationship was considered normal.

And there was the uncomfortably close relationship of Daenerys Targaryen and her creepy older brother.

Of course, I thought the entire premise of GoT was that the whole lot of them were an unabashedly depraved bunch.

Actually, real life dynastic families in the Middle Ages were a lot like what's portrayed in GoT. The idea behind incestuous marriages was usually that they were keeping the royal bloodline pure by not allowing less pure blood to creep in. They didn't know about genetics. The royal blood just gets diluted with every generation. Some houses literally inbred themselves into extinction because they were riddled with hereditary diseases and in some cases could no longer even produce viable offspring. Yeah, it can get to that point.

There are also "a little real incest" in movies, like real-life siblings or real father-daughter making out in a movie. But it's just acting, it's fictional like the story itself.

Anne Bennent & Heinz Bennent in Lulu, 1980
Chyler Leigh & Christopher Khayman Lee in Kickboxing Academy, 1997
Eloise Lovell Anderson & Sophie Lovell Anderson in The Bastard Executioner, Season 1, 2015
Laura Bellini & Sarah Bellini in Trust, Season 1, 2018

Hmmm, interesting. I knew about Lulu but not the others. Even as an actor that would be damn awkward!

[citronleaf]

Actually, real life dynastic families in the Middle Ages were a lot like what's portrayed in GoT. The idea behind incestuous marriages was usually that they were keeping the royal bloodline pure by not allowing less pure blood to creep in.

I think that in Europe at least, brother-sister incest was still avoided even in royal marriages. (What they did on their free time I would not know.) Marriages with cousins or uncles or aunts were common enough and "kept the blood pure". However, supposedly marriage between siblings or half-siblings was considered desirable among the royals of the Inca, and in ancient times of Egypt, China, and Hawaii. Of course the Europeans sneered at the exceptions made by other cultures as to what was considered forbidden incest and what was not... GoT has dragons, so I think the fantasy is more important than any small historical authenticity. The incest in GoT is absolutely one part of that fantasy and was included simply for audience appeal. I was just surprised at how popular that fantasy turned out to be! The point of "Hijos de la Sal" is not a documentary expose of sea salt harvesting, but the fictional incest relationship that is set in that isolated context. Imagine if "Blue Lagoon" also had the courage of the obvious possibilities and the author had made the children siblings instead of cousins.

[ferdi111]

Marriages between close relatives weren't rare even between common people (read: so valuable assets remain to family)