May-December Romances & [REL] Sara (1997)

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May-December Romances & [REL] Sara (1997)

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The weird thing is, that every reviews lists her age as 16, but
IMDb and other sites says that filming ended in October 1996 which makes her 15 (FIFTEEN!) during all her nude scenes since her birthday is 13 december 1980. So she was 15 yrs, 9 mos and 18 day old when filming began and 15 yrs,10 mos and 7 day old old when filming ended.
Or my math is off....
deadman wrote: Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:40 pm
A movie in the same vein as Léon The Professional (1994)
It definitely winks to that movie, there's even a poster visible towards the end.
But the action sequences are soooooooo low-rent, they don't even count as a parody of action scenes.

the ending will definitely not be what you're expecting.
Sorry,
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I kinda expected it. The surprise was a few minutes earlier.
It features 16-year-old Agnieszka Wlodarczyk in her very first role (and what a debut it is!).
You're right about that. I haven't seen an actress of that age have nude role with erotic love making scenes since Besse in Beau-père (1981) and Akkemay in Schatjes (1984). Those scenes are pretty amazing, given her age, and her catholic polish background. It must have been the era, Poland was just a few years free of Soviet Russia rule or something like that. I doubt you can have those scenes in a mainstream movie in Poland, or anywhere.
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Re: [REL] Sara (1997)

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Triela wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:22 pm The weird thing is, that every reviews lists her age as 16, but
IMDb and other sites says that filming ended in October 1996 which makes her 15 (FIFTEEN!) during all her nude scenes since her birthday is 13 december 1980. So she was 15 yrs, 9 mos and 18 day old when filming began and 15 yrs,10 mos and 7 day old old when filming ended.
Or my math is off....

Assuming the October 1996 date is accurate, you're right! Often times people only look at years and not the full date. I'll try to find more definitive production dates if I can.

Triela wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:22 pm
deadman wrote: Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:40 pmA movie in the same vein as Léon The Professional (1994)
It definitely winks to that movie, there's even a poster visible towards the end.
But the action sequences are soooooooo low-rent, they don't even count as a parody of action scenes.

No they couldn't compete with Luc Besson's action sequences from Leon.

Triela wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:22 pm
deadman wrote: Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:40 pmthe ending will definitely not be what you're expecting.
Sorry,
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I kinda expected it. The surprise was a few minutes earlier.
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Actually, the surprise for me was that she ended up okay. I figured tragedy was going to strike. No way would they get a happy ending. But when it did, she pulled the old secret bulletproof vest trick and survived - lucky for Agnieszka she didn't take one to the head!
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Re: [REL] Sara (1997)

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deadman wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2023 5:43 am
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Actually, the surprise for me was that she ended up okay. I figured tragedy was going to strike. No way would they get a happy ending. But when it did, she pulled the old secret bulletproof vest trick and survived - lucky for Agnieszka she didn't take one to the head!
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But a tragic ending would've totally been out of line with the rest of the farcical movie, especially given the somewhat pathetic action sequence (I mean, the actors had actually squint their eyes because the pyrotechnics blasts shot drywall and plaster into their eyes!!! ... Never saw that in a big budget movie), which preceded her "death" scene, just seconds before. This is why, to me, a happy ending was always more plausible than a tragic one. I even thought that it was kind of neat how she used his old body armour he used to protect her, to now protect him.
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Re: [REL] Sara (1997)

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by the way, the Dutch actress was 14 years and 8 mos old during filming when she shot her erotic nude scenes... so .... And Beau-pere, the scenes weren't very extensive, nor intensive.
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Triela wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2023 1:53 pm by the way, the Dutch actress was 14 years and 8 mos old during filming when she shot her erotic nude scenes... so .... And Beau-pere, the scenes weren't very extensive, nor intensive.

By Dutch actress I assume you mean Akkemay Elderenbos, of Schatjes! fame. Obviously they can only get so explicit in sexual scenes involving minor actors. So they're toned down, although it's sometimes surprising how much directors get away with.
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Re: [REL] Sara (1997)

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For gunfire and explosions in real life, do people keep their eyes wide open?

In big budget CGI movies, they can remain so COOL that they walk away from explosions without even flinching.

Maybe lower budget and not-always-safe practical physical effects are more realistic than animation.
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Re: [REL] Sara (1997)

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deadman wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2023 2:31 pm
Triela wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2023 1:53 pm by the way, the Dutch actress was 14 years and 8 mos old during filming when she shot her erotic nude scenes... so .... And Beau-pere, the scenes weren't very extensive, nor intensive.

By Dutch actress I assume you mean Akkemay Elderenbos, of Schatjes! fame. Obviously they can only get so explicit in sexual scenes involving minor actors. So they're toned down, although it's sometimes surprising how much directors get away with.
It’s fascinating. In „Beau Pere“ they show much more nudity and Expose the girls body but in „Romeo & Juliet“ (2006) there’s obviously much more intensity and „hidden“ explicitness.

Personally I prefer and would pick more intensity and less nudity.

To me, „Sara“ is in the middle or both: full on nudity while having fairly intense sense (the scene with Boguslaw behind her even though it’s very Short).

I do agree with some old reviews from film critics that Despite the topic „Beau Pere“ never feels too voyeuristic.
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Night457 wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2023 6:28 pmIn big budget CGI movies, they can remain so COOL that they walk away from explosions without even flinching.

Yep, you get those shots of the main characters walking straight toward the camera, guns in hand, striding forward confidently in slow motion while things explode and burn behind them - and they don't ever flinch or glance back. That's Hollywood for you! :cool
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deadman wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 3:09 am
Night457 wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2023 6:28 pmIn big budget CGI movies, they can remain so COOL that they walk away from explosions without even flinching.

Yep, you get those shots of the main characters walking straight toward the camera, guns in hand, striding forward confidently in slow motion while things explode and burn behind them - and they don't ever flinch or glance back. That's Hollywood for you! :cool
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Re: [REL] Sara (1997)

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goku33 wrote: Sat Dec 02, 2023 8:51 pmBy Dutch actress I assume you mean Akkemay Elderenbos, of Schatjes! fame. Obviously they can only get so explicit in sexual scenes involving minor actors. So they're toned down, although it's sometimes surprising how much directors get away with.
THIS was the 80s, so that's the explanation. There was some controversy then, and in 200x when a famous lawyer declared the movie child porn, but he didn't get anywhere.
It’s fascinating. In „Beau Pere“ they show much more nudity and Expose the girls body but in „Romeo & Juliet“ (2006) there’s obviously much more intensity and „hidden“ explicitness.
there are not that much explicit scenes in BP, no. I still haven;t seen R&J

To me, „Sara“ is in the middle or both: full on nudity while having fairly intense sense (the scene with Boguslaw behind her even though it’s very Short).
Funny. To me „Sara“ is the most explicit, most daring of the 3. While there around a thousand mainstream and arthouse movies featuring underage girl nudity, there aren't so much films that have 13-15 year olds doing erotic and/or lovemaking scenes. maybe 10? Fruhreifen report, Piccole Labbra, L'immoraralita, some Lara Wendel movies? Reifezeugnis (1977)
Der Tanzstunden-Report (1973) and Bademeister-Report (1973) are sexploitation might be seen as soft porn. With a 15 year old but still.

I do agree with some old reviews from film critics that Despite the topic „Beau Pere“ never feels too voyeuristic.
But thats just cause most if not all critics were older males. I wanna bet femaie critics would have felt differently about it.
To older men, the plot of a 14 year old falling in love with her step father would seem plausible, but then again, Freud came up with the ridiculous concept of "penis envy" too
Nevertheless, I've heard about 3 cases of teacher-with-pupil, two from people who were there, in class or in school and one i merely read about that one.
So, it does happen, it just isn't all that plausible.
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