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marvingray wrote: Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:13 am Right now I am watching Madicken nightly as I got to sleep :lol: but one day I know I'll get tired of it.
Bite your tongue! :D
BTW I wonder how they did the scenes where she is walking on the roof?
I have wondered the same thing! For the distant views where it is clearly the top of a roof, I think they may have used a young and small circus performer who can do that walk safely and easily. It may have even been a boy in a wig and dress. For the closer views where it looks like it is actually Jonna Liljendahl, I suspect they have safety equipment nearby off camera: nets, stuntmen, mattress etc. I am certain they did not just set her loose with a warning to "be careful up there".
BTW Night457 do you have a favorite episode?
No other contender: "8. Den stora avlusningen"

And I am NOT fond of cooties!

Somewhere among all these posts on Madicken I think I mention that this is the episode that is the breakthrough for the eventual friendship between Madicken and her longtime archnemesis. Mia is utterly bereft in her darkest hour, but Madicken reaches out in compassion and speaks in her defense when no one else dares. Mia is steeled against the misery and cruelty of the world, so this act of kindness shocks her more than anything else could.
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Maybe that one act of kindness changed Mia's trajectory in life and they had a lifelong friendship.

I liked how MIa is shown in the background before they even interact. You see Madicken push her on the episode where she goes on the field trip when she's running home. At the end of the same episode, she gives Madicken an "Are you stupid?" look after she tells her teacher she's glad her injury delayed the trip.
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Naw, I am not that naive, as much as the idea appeals to me. Neglected and abused poor girl and a pampered rich girl? No way. The friendship is doomed. But still, I like the idea that their friendship NOW will benefit them both in ways they can not imagine. Otherwise, why bother ever treating anyone with decency and kindness? "Jeder für sich und Gott gegen alle" / "Everyone for himself and God against all." It's a great movie title, but I do not really want it as a life philosophy.

How many times have you seen these episodes? It took ME multiple viewings before I caught some of the details you mention! I also saw them first non-chronologically, so I did not have the proper introduction to Mia's character. I wondered why she seemed so unjustifiably hostile to Madicken in the later episodes, when Madicken seemed so sweet and thoughtful. But going back to the earlier episodes I could see why. When Mia discovered that big bully apparently beating up her "innocent" little sister Mattis (who was ready to knife Lisabet!), no wonder she exploded with rage! Madicken then became her worst enemy.

Even without that physical confrontation, I can understand now why the spoiled and oblivious cow Madicken annoyed her. But it's not Madicken's fault that she was not aware yet how rotten the world is. I can sympathize with rich girls too, if they are willing to learn and grow. But Mia is my hero. I always root for the underdog!
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Night457 wrote: Thu Jul 20, 2023 3:52 pm Naw, I am not that naive,

Sadly, you're probably right. When I was a kid I befriended a poorer kid down the street and my parents were very opposed to us hanging out as that kid was already stealing small things like Halloween decorations off people's houses, and as I got older I saw the different paths our lives were taking and I realized my parents were just trying to protect me, although they hadn't really properly explained their reasoning.

Although, with her father and her close relationship with her neighbors I could see her having more compassion for the poor than most. Like even in the midst of their feud she still offers Mia a sandwich when she is hungry. I applaud the showrunners for not dumbing things down and showing there isn't typically a convenient happy ending or fix to being poverty-stricken. I feel like the US adaptation would definitely take that route.

And if I knew the number of times I've watched the episodes it would probably be too embarrassing to say :lol: I get hooked on watching certain things before I go to sleep at night like a ritual, at one point it was The Office, and then certain ASMR type youtube videos, and currently it is Madicken. I've watched it enough to notice things like their fluctuating heights(sometimes Madicken is way taller than Lisbet, sometimes they are pretty close in height), and the state of their baby teeth throughout the episodes :lol: .
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marvingray wrote: Fri Jul 21, 2023 3:16 am Although, with her father and her close relationship with her neighbors I could see her having more compassion for the poor than most.
This presents an awfully tolerant view of the lazy drunkard neighbor man, whose son and wife do all the work for him! Allan Edwall is such a wonderful character actor, and makes Herr Nilsson lovable. In real life I would probably want to choke him. And Madicken's newspaper editor father is a high-minded liberal socialist with very definite political views. Of course Madicken does not look at things from a political perspective because she is a child. Her mother also provides a compassionate example. She seems to have come from a privileged background and gave up a career in music to raise a family, but she has a more pragmatic view than her husband on helping the poor. It is just not possible to save the world and she certainly is not a revolutionary. Sometimes the right thing to do is something as simple as delousing a few grubby, neglected poor girls with an absent father. She manages to shame her slightly pompous husband into recognizing the value of kindness on the simple human level rather than on one of broad social change.
Like even in the midst of their feud she still offers Mia a sandwich when she is hungry.
This is one of the reasons I am quite fond of Madicken, who thinks it perfectly reasonable to share food with someone who is without. Although Mia sees it as a gesture by a stuck-up rich girl lording it over her lessers. "Let them eat cake." Mia has a bit of an inferiority complex, and she would rather be hungry and angry than show any weakness by accepting charity. She has her pride.
I applaud the showrunners for not dumbing things down and showing there isn't typically a convenient happy ending or fix to being poverty-stricken.
The credit really belongs to Astrid Lindgren and her ideas. By that point in her career, any moviemakers who were allowed to work with her material were like-minded individuals. Her stories would be adapted her way, or not at all. She was disappointed with some of the earliest filmed stories and quickly insisted that they could only use HER scripts! The producers were not Hollywood egomaniacs, so they saw the wisdom in following the lead of THE GREATEST CHILDREN'S AUTHOR EVER. (imho)
then certain ASMR type youtube videos
You sick freak! :lol:
I've watched it enough to notice things like their fluctuating heights(sometimes Madicken is way taller than Lisbet, sometimes they are pretty close in height)
Wow, I am going to have to check that out next time! I have only seen Liv Alsterlund in a few (later) roles outside of Lisabet, and THERE I noticed that she had shot up and was no longer a little tyke. But that's life.
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Yeah, Astrid deserves 100% credit for the writing but I give them credit for staying true to the source material. (Which I get what you're saying she had a lot of say so/creative control herself) There's so many little touches in this, like when Alva finds the "almond"? in her food and they tell Madicken it means she'll find love within the next year and Madicken freaks out and tries to grab it from her. I've always been a fan of natural-sounding dialogue and I feel like this series really nailed that aspect. I really feel like I am just looking in on a Swedish family living their lives.
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marvingray wrote: Fri Jul 21, 2023 10:48 am like when Alva finds the "almond"? in her food and they tell Madicken it means she'll find love within the next year and Madicken freaks out and tries to grab it from her.
I really need to watch this again, because I do NOT remember Madicken trying to grab it! (If I do not have it memorized, I have not watched it enough.) Does that mean she does not want Alva to fool around with a married man (the chimney sweep) or she does not want her beloved nanny to leave her?

I remember the almond scene only because I thought of it as a dangerous tradition, because I would surely choke on the damn thing.
I've always been a fan of natural-sounding dialogue and I feel like this series really nailed that aspect.
Even with all my "studying" of Swedish from working on the subtitles I realize that I certainly do not KNOW the language, so I don't know how to evaluate it. I realize also that language changes over time. (I have a hard time understanding the young whippersnappers these days!) I have wondered how much the Swedish in it reflects Swedish circa the First World War (the setting, as well as Lindgren's childhood), how much it is like Swedish circa World War Two (director Göran Graffman's childhood, as well as Lindgren's adulthood and when she began writing) and how much it is Swedish circa-1979, when it was made.

I do know that some of the Lindgren stories have now-archaic rural dialog and colloquialisms, because there is nothing in modern online translators that can handle them! It took some real research to ferret out the meaning in some cases. I think this includes some of Herr Nilsson's ramblings, but certainly some of the songs in the "Emil" series.
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BTW what is your favorite Astrid Lindgren movie/series? Is it Madicken? If so other than Madicken...I've watched this, Alla vi barn i Bullerbyn /
The Children of Noisy Village, and the Lotta films. I really enjoyed the Noisy Village films for similar reasons as Madicken in that it feels very natural and has a strong attention to detail(at least to my non-Swedish eye) Lotta felt a little like it was aimed at the Dora the Explorer aged audience so it was cute but not entirely for me. I also saw the Pippi American adaptation when I was a very young kid in grade school but I don't remember it at all other than the theme song that got stuck in my head for my entire life.
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My favorite of all is Ronja Rövardotter, although Madicken is very high up in the ranks and probably highest among the "realistic" stories. But Emil i Lönneberga gives it huge competition. Ronja is definitely fantasy rather than realistic. All the ones you mentioned I adore.

I have noticed that some of my favorite stories are aimed at the "Dora" crowd, so that probably means I am very childish.

I was a terrible snob as a youngster and ignored the Pippi series, both as books and films. (As an adult I became more broad-minded, at least for some things.) I watched the whole series in Swedish without subtitles a few years back and was hooked. (English is my language.) That is also how I first watched Madicken, Ronja, Emil ... well, pretty much all the Lindgren adaptations. (That was before I could make use of this amazing thing called "file sharing" and discovered sites like FLM and TNT. I had to buy the damn shiny discs from Sweden and other European retail sites.) I could still understand the story and characters because Astrid was a genius writer, the directors simply amazing visual storytellers, and the young actors incredibly expressive and communicative with their expressions and body language.

I have also watched the American dub of Pippi but the voices make me cringe.

I also really like the Kalle Blomkvist series, specifically for Eva-Lotta. :heart
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Have you noticed when they're getting dressed in ep7 how Lisbet stares at Madicken the entire time while she dresses? Do you think that was in the script or she really didn't know how to dress herself and had to follow along? :lol:
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