[REL] Les Jeux de la Comtesse Dolingen de Gratz (1980)

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maria2012 wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 4:51 pm
Yonderwonder wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2023 1:56 am I love this movie!the little girl who acted in this film is so proud of it till this day,she said it was a good experience.To say that even about her nude scenes at 11 or 12,is quite a thing!
Where can I see her interview?

Those comments come from this article:

https://www.sensesofcinema.com/2018/aft ... ine-binet/

A lot has to do with comfort zones. Katia Wastchenko was barely 12 at the time the movie was filmed. But if you live in a country where nude beaches are common and kids are used to being topless or completely naked in front of thousands of people it isn't so awkward to shoot a nude scene. Without a strong nudity taboo young actresses don't have a huge problem taking off their clothes for the camera. I don't doubt some of them actually have fun with it.

Whereas in the US, say, only the very youngest children ever go outside naked. Teenagers don't tend to walk around topless, or sunbathe that way, even in sheltered backyards where no one can see them. They don't do it in front of family members in the house either. We're conditioned to always cover up and it would feel ... wrong, unnatural, to disrobe in a public place. So if you tried forcing a young actress to shed her clothes on a movie set it would be traumatic for her, she wouldn't want to and would get very upset. Different culture.
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It's probably better that way for many reasons.Remaining clothed.Also gives someone more of a chance to fantasize.Think of how sweet the victory is when you do have the opportunity to see a girl unclothed, especially in America!it is something special by then
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I don't know where I read up about the young girls experiences on the set.I would have to find it again.
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Yonderwonder wrote: Mon Feb 27, 2023 1:48 am I don't know where I read up about the young girls experiences on the set.I would have to find it again.

If you find a more detailed interview with Katia, please post a link! My article contains a limited amount of information and only a handful of comments from her.

I'm firmly of the conviction that less is more, if you know what I mean. Teasing us a little is okay - as long as we get there eventually. :D
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@Deadman I will I'll just have to remember where I was looking to find it.As soon as I do, I'll put it on here.Thankfully she never regretted her nude scenes,unlike Poor Brooke Shields who has had to relentlessly explain herself over the years.For her Pretty baby nude scenes.Even denying it on several occasions years ago.She finally came clean and admitted she did pose nude for it.But all the critics she has had to contend with,the general public especially have hounded her to this day about it!I find that ridiculous.She was beautiful nude at age 11!it isn't anything to be ashamed of.Look at page 16 of the Pretty baby thread someone posted,simply gorgeous...
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In the USA there are also nudists, and I think I understand there is a religious sect based on EDEN, I can assure you there is a certain minority with liberal thinking, I suppose I would not be afraid to punish an OT.
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Sully23,what pretaiil is an OT?Do u mind explaining that to me?
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Yonderwonder wrote: Mon Feb 27, 2023 4:48 amSully23,what pretaiil is an OT?Do u mind explaining that to me?

OT = On Topic.

Sully23 wrote: Mon Feb 27, 2023 3:27 amIn the USA there are also nudists, and I think I understand there is a religious sect based on EDEN, I can assure you there is a certain minority with liberal thinking, I suppose I would not be afraid to punish an OT.

Oh there are a few nudists and nude beaches (mostly not public access, members only). It's unlikely you'd find a young actress who happened to be part of that small minority though, who'd be just fine baring it all for the camera. In the 60's and 70's you could've cast an American girl to do those kinds of scenes. Not now though. Even the most liberal parts of the US are more uptight than they used to be.
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deadman wrote: Mon Feb 27, 2023 1:12 am But if you live in a country where nude beaches are common and kids are used to being topless or completely naked in front of thousands of people it isn't so awkward to shoot a nude scene. Without a strong nudity taboo young actresses don't have a huge problem taking off their clothes for the camera. I don't doubt some of them actually have fun with it.

Whereas in the US, say, only the very youngest children ever go outside naked. Teenagers don't tend to walk around topless, or sunbathe that way, even in sheltered backyards where no one can see them. They don't do it in front of family members in the house either. We're conditioned to always cover up and it would feel ... wrong, unnatural, to disrobe in a public place. So if you tried forcing a young actress to shed her clothes on a movie set it would be traumatic for her, she wouldn't want to and would get very upset. Different culture.
Couldn’t have said it better myself , deadman.

On another site people discussed some Instagram video where a sister was changing her clothes in front of her brother and was briefly nude. People did go absolutely berserk and said stuff like how that family must be crazy etc.

As a European who *did* go to nude beaches as a kid and teen, and as someone whose family never had issues with nudity - I always feel like taking crazy pills or living in a completely different reality when reading these comments. But like you said: a different culture. Exchange students have told me how they’ve never seen their parents or siblings naked since they were a small child.

Looking back I realize how bold I was as a teenager when I still some times did go nude at the beach when friends of sisters etc were around (they were 1-3 years older). It’s simply a different feeling going swimming naked in the ocean. You feel really free and one with the planet (don’t worry im not an esoteric kind of Person LOL). Although I couldn’t imagine being circumcised (dick basically „naked“) and swimming without shorts. The foreskin gives so much protection but Americans and Jews/Muslims want to cut it off :( American girls call uncircumcised dicks gross/unhygienic..when Europe has this magical thing called soap and water :D :D

For me it’s nothing crazy or out of the ordinary to go brush my teeth when another family member is taking a bath or something. I also want to say this doesn’t mean we don’t have boundaries: to the contrary - over the years and especially through teenage years you learn to give everyone their space and privacy. But it’s not like I’d have go on the internet or a therapist to talk about how today I saw my mom or dad naked. My point is don’t make nudity more weird than it is or isn’t.

Hope I made some sense with my rambling!
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deadman wrote: Mon Feb 27, 2023 5:16 am . Even the most liberal parts of the US are more uptight than they used to be.
I look at American society over the years, one sees things that used to be prohibitive, like nude portraits in art, nudes and sex that couldn't even be seen, before the first editions of Playboy, all of that one thinks about or evolves... ..or do they evolve I wonder how it will be in 50 or 100 years later, maybe the drug is legal, a marriage between 3 or 5 people... all of the above leads me to think of a pretty baby or disney remake showing one of their princesses although a few seconds (they did it with Thor) in the very distant future and it is so that they see the double standard, in no film or television project is child actors shown skin on screen because they are outraged but a girl rose to fame dancing with a wig and a skin-colored leotard, or also on instagram you see many girls with leotards and swimsuits are marketing models and even have their own BTS https://www.first-loves.com/forums/view ... it=shakira (Kristina is Russian but I put it as a reference) even if it is only a piece it only covers sensitive parts it does not there is a lot difference because skin is showing, I know I would not imagine Dakota Fanning naked in Houndog although not in the rape but if a double had to resort in the bathtub, the arrival 2016 if I remember correctly of an alien girl appears in front of the police, The Tale should not necessarily be too graphically explicit but moderate like Jenna Malone and Ron Eldard, the CP cannot be considered because the art and the CP are totally different.
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