[REL] Mariken (2000)

[ghost]

This is how what was?

I watched the last 10 minutes of the film again, but I really can't answer this question.
They start to make love when Mariken is spying on them. Maybe she means "that's how I was made?". I really don't know. Maybe I'll have to watch the entire movie again to get the context.

[Night457]

I watched the end of the German version with the translation of the German in my mind, and I agree with ghost's guess. Without suggesting anything too gross: she had spent her childhood with Archibald and the goat, had hopefully not witnessed a primal scene, and was therefore unfamiliar with how a romantic couple ought to relate to one another in private. Whether she was curious or frightened, she prayed to the Virgin Mary asking about what she witnessed. Hmm.

In episode 3 she was introduced to the concept of prayer so I guess she is still getting used to it, and I don't know what kind of prayers she was making in the rest of the conclusion of the story. But an obvious question for a foundling is "Where did I come from? Was I born from an act of love? Why was I abandoned?" Maybe your translation for the rest of the final episode will give me some insight, and I look forward to it.

[ronyleonel]

Thanks, pillowbaker!

Yes, you really put a lot of work into it. I know how frustrating it is, when Whisper gives you just nonsense in some parts. I also try to use different methods, if the 1. transcription is disappointing. Often I cut out a scene from a video and do it again and again, until the transcription gives me logical result.

Did I mention that I upscaled the German dubbed movie some time ago?

Maybe someone wants it:
Mariken (2000).720p.german.mkv

ya estan los subtitulos en español para la version de 720p que subio ghost en la pag 6
https://www.opensubtitles.org/es/subtit ... mariken-es
revisenlo, modifiquenlo, a placer, (tomados los subtitulos hasta el episodio 3 + contribucion por tantas descargas hechas de aqui)
SALUDOS.

[Night457]

ya estan los subtitulos en español para la version de 720p que subio ghost en la pag 6
https://www.opensubtitles.org/es/subtit ... mariken-es
revisenlo, modifiquenlo, a placer, (tomados los subtitulos hasta el episodio 3 + contribucion por tantas descargas hechas de aqui)
SALUDOS.

ROUGH TRANSLATION:

Spanish subtitles are now available for the 720p version uploaded by Ghost on page 6
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Check it, modify it, at will, (taking the subtitles until episode 3 + contribution for so many downloads made from here) BEST REGARDS.

I understand WHY you posted your message in Spanish, but in a case like this please ALSO post an English translation. I used Google Translate. Otherwise, posts should simply be in English.

That said ... THANK YOU for taking the time to translate the subtitles and share them!

[pillowbaker]

I watched the end of the German version with the translation of the German in my mind, and I agree with ghost's guess. Without suggesting anything too gross: she had spent her childhood with Archibald and the goat, had hopefully not witnessed a primal scene, and was therefore unfamiliar with how a romantic couple ought to relate to one another in private. Whether she was curious or frightened, she prayed to the Virgin Mary asking about what she witnessed. Hmm.

In episode 3 she was introduced to the concept of prayer so I guess she is still getting used to it, and I don't know what kind of prayers she was making in the rest of the conclusion of the story. But an obvious question for a foundling is "Where did I come from? Was I born from an act of love? Why was I abandoned?" Maybe your translation for the rest of the final episode will give me some insight, and I look forward to it.

I watched the last 10 minutes of the film again, but I really can't answer this question.
They start to make love when Mariken is spying on them. Maybe she means "that's how I was made?". I really don't know. Maybe I'll have to watch the entire movie again to get the context.

Thank you for your input again, Night and ghost. I think I will eek out something from all our speculation. Please don't expect too much from what I put in. In fact, I put in more effort in the following bittersweet scenes after her prayer. One other idea is to wonder if she is saying "this is how it was before I existed/was born" OR "this is how it was before I was here/came along". Though they CAN mean the same thing, the distinction stands out to me because it can make the difference of a number of years (or fingers). Perhaps Mariken can understand that she cannot yet assume they were a couple before she was born, but certainly they could have been before "she came along".

ghost, if you would like to rewatch the movie, please don't let me dissuade you, but I can honestly tell you I don't believe the movie will provide any further context on the meaning.

Thank you to ronyleonel for the Spanish subs. Did you edit them yourself?

Episode 4 will be posted in a few more minutes. Please pardon a potential double post.

[Night457]

I was thinking that she was asking if that is what it was like between her parents before she was born.

(THERE, no double post for you.)

[pillowbaker]

(thanks Night )


And subs for the final episode are now complete!


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I'll make a post later that collects all 4 subtitle files and mega links. I have also made slight modifications and corrections to the previous subs. Now, it's late for me once again. Thanks again for the community help and feedback. Enjoy!


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[ghost]

And subs for the final episode are now complete!

[Night457]

Ah, it's been a long week and I was looking forward to a good opportunity to watch the final episode. Now I see that it does actually provide a conclusion for at least some of the story threads, albeit a melancholy one. Just because I WANT more time with Mariken does not mean that is necessarily what the author had in mind.

Seeing the whole episode with your fine-tuned subs, my previously expressed ideas about the Joachim-Isabella / Mariken prayer scene are even firmer now. Some meandering SPOILERY thoughts about the end:

Spoiler: Mariken realizes that neither of them are her biological parents as she wished, but they have accepted each other as an adoptive family. She prayed to the Holy Mother to thank her for a Blessed vision of what her own conception must have been like, in her mind anyway: an act of love, not just some furtive grubby bestial thrusting. Even if she has not found the woman who brought her into the world, she is content with having some insight to the fundamental questions of Who am I? and Why am I here? And then there is the discovery of Joachim's father Theodore, who abandoned Joachim's mother Griet while she was pregnant with Joachim decades ago. It seems he did this out of fear and weakness and has lived ever since with regret. We know that he is not a terrible person, but someone with a great deal of decency within him. Surely Mariken can see that it may have been something along those lines for her own parents: personal failings, mistakes, and guilt, but not hatred or indifference. If Joachim and Griet can forgive Theodore and move on with their lives, then surely Mariken can do the same and forgive her own parents. Ultimately finding her mother is not important, but rather finding herself and the woman who has chosen to be her mother. There is also Rattejan and his Aunt the Black Widow, a mother of a different kind. She is a horrific ogre, but really very, very sad. The losses she has suffered have cracked her mind and turned her into a monster, but Rattejan bears her no malice. He simply wants to escape from her. We must not forget the countess, who wanted children but was unable to have them and became bitter as a result. Mariken helped pull her out of her armored shell, and maybe the countess is better off as a result. It is hard to tell how the countess will be from now on, as Mariken quickly abandoned her! Hmmm, maybe this story can be interpreted as an examination of different kinds of mothers? I would hate to over-analyze it, so I'll stop now.

[David32441]

I was very interested in your discussion of different possible translations of "Waanwoud" but irritated that you did not just come out and say your final choice! I have not had the chance to watch it yet, not even to find the hard drive the video is on. I looked in the subtitle file to see if a quick search would reveal your choice. I guess I will just have to wait until I watch the video.

Of course a 4k monitor is not needed for text editing. I know someone who uses THREE 24" monitors for his (paid) work. (And no, it is not video editing: it is all text.) That gives plenty of desktop real estate but I have to wonder if he gets a sore neck from craning back and forth. Your screenshot looks like there are NINE Notepad instances on it, wow! Keeping track of which was which would surely be difficult. Incidentally, I noticed with my new-ish Windows 11 that new instances of Notepad open in new TABS rather than new WINDOWS like it used to be, and I have not researched yet how to force them in separate windows when desired. If I ever do another subtitle translation then I will surely have to know how.

P.S.: you should be able to listen to music while you work, rather than letting it draw you away! If you choose music without lyrics then it should not interfere with your concentration on the words in the subtitle files. Using different parts of the brain and all that stuff, ya know.

P.P.S.: HEY!!!!! I logged out of FLM and after a few minutes I realized that your screenshot was NOT in "dark mode". I thought your preference was for light text on a black background? Or is that just not possible with Notepad?

I recomend getting Notepad++ and Editpad. Notepad++ is pretty powerful. And of course if you have these all installed then the text won't open in the same Notepad window. Basic Notepad is pretty rubbish. Editpad can do nice things like upper to lower, to titlecase, char and line position. Notepad++ can convert between character sets, let you copy text in column layouts, etc.