[REL] Superbiester! 'Nen Freund zum Geburtstag (1982) Une glace avec deux boules...

[Night457]

The DVD provides some perfectly good audio.

The DVD I know provides perfectly good GERMAN audio. It is the French audio that is in question! Have you encountered some DVD version that has the French? So far the only source for French audio I have found is the OK.ru files. The audio quality is acceptable with some flaws; it is not as clean as the German. I think the French audio was ripped from VHS. I am heading toward composing my post for releasing a version with that French audio muxed in. It will NOT satisfy anyone looking for a BluRay rip! It did satisfy someone looking for a version with French audio, namely ME.

I would be happy to mux that in, if I could get myself a copy of the bluray.

I know you can mux together multiple tracks from different sources in your sleep. If you can get your hands on that BluRay, that would be fantastic. Even a flawed French audio track muxed in as a secondary option would be even more wonderful!

At least the more standard 3000 allows for purchases for quite some time, two or three years later they're still available.

That is precisely why small boutique home media labels have limited runs! They want to make their investment and sell their stock and get their profit and move on to the next release. They can not afford to sit on inventory like Sony or Warner Brothers, or even Kino Lorber and Criterion.

With only a few hundred you either know it's out shortly after release or you're out of luck.

Yep, it sucks. That's why those who buy it have a MORAL and SOCIAL obligation to reshare it on torrents or Usenet! Rant:

Spoiler: This is another reason for limited runs. Why print overstock when those who REALLY want it will buy it right away, and then the movie will have its further life shared online? I think the media companies should SHRED their remaining stock rather than sell it at a discount! That will teach buyers the hard lesson "You snooze, you lose!" It would also be less of a problem for the companies when their release has a flaw and needs to have corrected replacement copies. There were so many of THOSE with what I was buying that it made it easier for me to STOP buying. Spend $40 or more for a Limited Edition, then read all the forums to find out about the inexcusable flaws, wait 3 months for a replacement copy or a year for the updated edition, rinse & repeat.

It's not even listed on blu-ray.com.

It is also possible that they can only have a limited run for legal reasons. If they make more they have to fork over greater licensing fees that they can not afford. I have seen this for limited run books, too. Below a certain number of copies they can remain under the radar.

I watched this. I enjoyed it. I really had little idea what the movie was about beforehand, but I saw that there is not even anything in the movie that would cause legal problems or a movie ban. It is clean cut good fun, and more intelligent and realistic than "Parent Trap." It is definitely a shame that this has not had a larger home media run and more visibility. Maybe it should be shown on Disney+, at least in Germany and France!

[Night457]

The focus of this version shared here is on the FRENCH AUDIO.

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The spoilered portion below is monstrously detailed and only here for reference. You probably do not want to read it unless you really HAVE to for any questions.

Information on sources and quality:

Spoiler: VIDEO SOURCE David32441’s 1080p German language AI-upscale from DVD first posted here: https://www.first-loves.com/forums/view ... 781#p87781 and put on eMule here: https://www.first-loves.com/forums/view ... 784#p87784 Note, do NOT expect this to look like a BluRay with restored image. It definitely looks better than the DVD to me. It also looks to have slightly more detail in some scenes than the videos I found at OK.ru. I think THOSE were recoded from David’s version with higher bitrate, but the recoding process smoothed out even more of the detail. (Yes I compared ScreenCaps of the different versions and looked at the Specifications and No I am not sharing them.) But until we get a BluRayRip, this is the best video I have seen. Your mileage may vary and you may prefer the rougher look of the DVD. I hesitate to claim that DVDs actually show “grain” but that is another discussion entirely and I will not participate in it. This video also takes up less storage space than a DVDremux. AUDIO SOURCE David’s video is also the source I used for the German audio track. The German audio sounds good, but that is not the focus of this version. It is there as a second choice. For the French audio I used this: https://ok.ru/video/4044329847546 This video appears to be a minor recode of David’s upscale with French audio muxed in instead. I hastened the start time of the French audio by 46ms to match David’s video. The French audio is acceptable but has minor issues of hissy / muffled / tinny sound in places. It MAY be originally sourced from a VHS. I noticed some scenes where the audio briefly switched over to the German dub! I do not know if these scenes were missing from the French version but that would explain the switch. SUBTITLE SOURCE “A freely subjective translation” to English from German by Quester. https://www.opensubtitles.org/en/subtit ... -boules-en I did some minor text edits and resync of Quester’s subtitle. It was translated from the German and matches the timing of the German dub, which timing is of course slightly different in some places than the French audio. Thus it does not always perfectly sync with the French audio, and the German audio has a few additional lines that appear in the subtitle. It is still close enough not to be particularly confusing. OTHER SOURCES, NOT USED Quester’s subtitle was slightly edited and hardcoded in another OK.ru video here: https://ok.ru/video/6672441871096 It appears to use the same video as the previously linked OK.ru video that did not have subtitles. We have our own Harry789’s English translation posted here: https://www.first-loves.com/forums/view ... 652#p90652 and reposted here: https://www.opensubtitles.org/en/subtit ... -boules-en Harry789’s English subtitle appears to be the one added to deadman’s German audio DVDremux here: https://www.first-loves.com/forums/view ... 362#p78362 I did not borrow anything from deadman’s source. David32441 made his upscale from his own personal DVD, and I do not know if it was the same published edition deadman used for his remux.

Specifications for my Released version:

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[deadman]

At least the more standard 3000 allows for purchases for quite some time, two or three years later they're still available.

That is precisely why small boutique home media labels have limited runs! They want to make their investment and sell their stock and get their profit and move on to the next release. They can not afford to sit on inventory like Sony or Warner Brothers, or even Kino Lorber and Criterion.

3000 blurays (i.e. the slip cases they come packaged in) when piled together in stacks of about equal height, occupy the same volume as an average sized refrigerator. I don't think that's a big concern.

Super limited runs would be more understandable if they were doing it to create scarcity. Sell the first 200 at the normal (original) price on sites like Amazon, then everyone runs out of stock and it's only available on ebay, etc., for several times what you would've paid on day one. You trickle out the remaining inventory through your affiliated third party sellers over a period of time, raising the price every so often. The release remains available for quite a while but is not cheap.

It's not even listed on blu-ray.com.

It is also possible that they can only have a limited run for legal reasons. If they make more they have to fork over greater licensing fees that they can not afford. I have seen this for limited run books, too. Below a certain number of copies they can remain under the radar.

Licensing issues make more sense (to the extent that these things ever make sense). For whatever obscure financial reason the primary rightsholder agrees to let a boutique releaser put out the movie on bluray, but severely limits the quantity they will allow.

[Night457]

...occupy the same volume as an average sized refrigerator. I don't think that's a big concern.

Inventory and boutique labels and such:

Spoiler: In many businesses the space occupied by unsold inventory is NOT the concern, it is the fact that they paid to create the product and it is still UNSOLD. If they pay to manufacture 3000 of X title in one year and only sell 500 of it that first year, it can take a LONG time to get their money back. Huge businesses like Sony can afford to do that even if they do not like it. The little guys can't afford it because they need that money soon. Better not to spend it in the first place. Also there are some tax shenanigans involving unsold inventory but I don't even want to understand that. It is right to suspect who exactly the eBay "flippers" are with the outrageous prices and whether a significant number of them were provided with their supply at COST or at LIST PRICE. If it is at list price then they are likely not connected to the label so those prices do not benefit the label. I can believe that sometimes they can underestimate the actual demand for some items. I do know that some labels have increased their print run beyond the initially stated limited amount when they get swamped with pleas for a larger quantity. Now maybe those pleas are from people planning to be the eBay scalpers, I don't know. The release remains available for quite a while but is not cheap. It remains available BECAUSE it is not cheap. Only some people are willing to pay ridiculous prices for a single disc so they remain unsold for a long time. If such things were cheap then I would have a room full of 30-year-old Scotch because I would have whacked others with a cricket bat to get them all first!

[pillowbaker]

Hey thanks for the new version with the original French, Night! This is the version I want! And I'll grab both of those English subs, as well as the subs in other languages as well. I am curious to see how the two English subs differ. Helping source it over emule now.

Speaking of the subs, your link to Harry789's post in your "Information on sources and quality" tab leads back to this page. I think you need to replace it with this link:
https://www.first-loves.com/forums/view ... 652#p90652

[ArtasKo]

In TAC v.21 wrote: "Une glace avec deux boules ou je le dis à maman" (1980) (released to theatres on 30 November 1980)
Is it incorrect information?

[Night457]

This is the version I want!

I want a restored 4k UHD BluRay with HD Master Audio in French and German and professionally translated English subtitles, an essay by Ginette Vincendeau, and bonus features that include translated vintage interviews, retrospective interviews, cast commentary, on-set footage and deleted scenes, as well as a full-color photo book in a deluxe box set -- but I'll take this. Thank you for your enthusiasm.

...as well as the subs in other languages as well.

I don't think I have seen subtitles in other languages. The English was translated from German but I did not notice actual German subtitles shared. Maybe you know differently?

I am curious to see how the two English subs differ.

The ideal version would probably be a combination of the translations, but I was not about to do that.

... leads back to this page.

AAAAAAAAGh!!! **** me gently with a chainsaw, Heather! If you had any idea how long I spent editing that damn post, hoping NO ONE would actually read what I wrote but carefully combing over it anyway. You are sick, what is wrong with you? Just because I type it does not mean anyone should look at it, that is why I hid it behind the SPOILER tags. I could have sworn I double-checked all the links ... and when I checked again-again after your post, that exact same link was there! RRRRRRRRR. Eventually I noticed that I left out the right bracket ] after the last /url code.* That messed up the link. It's fixed now. Thank you for pointing it out!

*As damned exasperating as editing the Lisp programming language in the olden days.

In TAC v.21 wrote: "Une glace avec deux boules ou je le dis à maman" (1980) (released to theatres on 30 November 1980)
Is it incorrect information?

IMDb is far from perfect but that is what I go by unless a reliable source says otherwise. Everyone else also says 1982. I think TAC is in error. I can certainly believe that this movie may have been FILMING in 1980 however. But the outdoor beach scenes do not really look like France in November so maybe they started filming indoor scenes and continued until 1981 summer.

[Night457]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

DaveTheBoss had a FANTASTIC POST here, and instead of REPLYING to it I edited it and eliminated almost everything he said!! Wrong button clicked, DAMMIT!!!!! I am SO PISSED OFF AT MYSELF FOR BEING SO STUPID!!!!!! I do not know HOW to fix it!!!!! Going BACK in the browser did not work to recover it. I am SO, SO SORRY Dave!!!!! I did NOT intend to wipe out what you posted, because you shared some very interesting information on the movie.

Dammit! Shit! I'm done posting for awhile, I obviously can not be trusted.

Dave, if you would be willing to reconstruct the movie information you shared, that would be great. I promise not to ruin it again. All I can reasonably share of your post is this:

I'm happy to have made this topic evolve.

I am VERY happy that you did, thank you! Sometimes a nudge is what it takes.

Again, I am sorry that this idiot destroyed your post.

[DaveTheBoss]

We are both lucky, I had kept the tab of this post open, it saves me from rewriting everything .

Hey thanks for the new version with the original French, Night! This is the version I want!

Why didn't you ask for it earlier ? You would have saved me from crying cultural theft .

I want a restored 4k UHD BluRay with HD Master Audio in French and German and professionally translated English subtitles, an essay by Ginette Vincendeau, and bonus features that include translated vintage interviews, retrospective interviews, cast commentary, on-set footage and deleted scenes, as well as a full-color photo book in a deluxe box set --

Are you making a comedy or have you seen the Blessed Virgin ? Ask Japanese publishers ... And thank you and congratulations for the work done. I'm happy to have made this topic evolve.

Note : the German dubbing is momentarily embedded in the French version for four scenes : Vanessa and her mother (0.58.20 - 1.00.27), Vanessa and her cousin 1.09.05 - 1.11.18) again Vanessa and her mother (1.16.40 - 1.16.47) and Vanessa and Lolo (1.19.42 - 1.19.51). The French version seems slightly off by a few milliseconds, it's just to nitpick, it will be imperceptible to non-French speakers.

In TAC v.21 wrote: "Une glace avec deux boules ou je le dis à maman" (1980) (released to theatres on 30 November 1980)
Is it incorrect information?

IMDb is far from perfect but that is what I go by unless a reliable source says otherwise. Everyone else also says 1982. I think TAC is in error. I can certainly believe that this movie may have been FILMING in 1980 however. But the outdoor beach scenes do not really look like France in November so maybe they started filming indoor scenes and continued until 1981 summer.

This one-hour and thirty-minute film was shot in Carcassonne and its region during the summer of 1981. It is also one of the very first feature films by actress Valérie Kaprisky; She was only 19 years old at the time. Released in theaters on January 3, 1982, it cannot be said that it was a resounding success.

Synopsis :

Spoiler: In Carcassonne, today. Daniel Dalbret (Daniel Sarky), a garage owner, a cordial forty-year-old but lacking a little character, leaves his wife Sarah (Sarah Siritzky) after 17 years of living together in favor of a young and pretty prefecture secretary: Maité (Anne Letourneau). But Daniel and Sarah have two daughters: Vanessa (Désirée Nosbusch), 16 years old, and Laurence "Lolo" (Valérie Dumas), 13 years old, who, not accepting this abandonment, decide to do everything possible to get their father back. Having failed to convince Daniel of his "mistake", they will set up a real strategy. It is a story in which the points of view of teenagers (with "their" problems and "their" solutions) as well as of adult women are revealed, and where laughter and jokes follow heartaches and fear. From a dramatic and very everyday situation, it is a bittersweet comedy offering a cross-sectional view of the "new society", with all the surprises that this implies.

Christian Lara, who had just finished writing the script, was looking for a place to shoot his film. By a fortunate coincidence, one of her friends who worked as an air hostess for Air France lived in Ladern-sur-Lauquet, in the Aude. Danielle Amerel managed to convince the director to set up his cameras in Carcassonne, whose geographical location lent itself to the plot of the film. She then got in touch with her friend Jean-Alain Journet (Cheucheu, for those in the know) who worked at the town hall. After the approval of the mayor Fernand Ancely, the film crew began filming in August 1981.

Filming locations : The Canal du Midi, the cloister of the Abbey of Saint-Hilaire d'Aude, the classrooms and the courtyard of the Saint-Stanislas private high school, the Grazailles swimming pool, the estate of La Conte in Carcassonne, made available by Mrs. Duchan, was used as a set to represent the family home. In the background, we can still see the vines now transformed into a housing estate.

François Maistre, known for his role in the Brigades du tigre, is enthroned by the Brotherhood of the Lords of Corbière. This scene had been set up thanks to the Corbières cru syndicate.

A large scene was shot on the terrace of the café "Chez Félix" on Place Carnot. A large canteen had been set up in front of the Mayol greengrocer, in which the crew and actors had lunch at lunchtime.

Jean-Michel Signoles, founder of the Chipie brand, had made his store available to the director. Several sequences were filmed inside the store (with the famous cash register), with the brand prominently displayed on camera. Anne Noubel from Carcassonne answers the phone.

Georges Tarabbia, a science and physics teacher at the Paul Sabatier high school, agreed to play himself in the film. Contacted by Pierre Gabas, secretary general of the town hall at the time, because the production was urgently looking for someone to replace Cheucheu Journet. This convinced layman had the crucifix removed from the classroom of the private St-Stanislas high school to perform his scene. Georges Tarabbia is now retired from the national education system.

Barbara Courcoul was seventeen years old when she was chosen after responding to the casting ad published in the local press. It was her mother who pushed her to audition in the chapel of Saint-François Xavier, rue Barbès. Barbara is none other than the mother of Tamara Courcoul who was elected Miss Carcassonne two years ago. She got a small role in the scene on Place Carnot.

Anne Noubel had been hired by the production thanks to Cheucheu Journet, in order to take photographs of the set and the film. The Sarraute family, antique dealers at the Cité, had lent furniture and accessories.

Anecdote : The Carcassonne photographer Patrice Cartier was having lunch one evening in the Jardin de la Tour, when he heard a young actress from the film say at the next table : "I'll never shoot naked".

(Apparently, she has changed her mind . Oh no, Vanessa doesn't swim, maybe it was Désirée Nosbusch who said that .)

It was Valérie Dumas, the little blonde in Tendres Cousines. I hadn't made the connection .

Again, I am sorry that this idiot destroyed your post.

Please, Night, no more scares like that !

[Harry789]

Pls the same update for "Mords.pas.on.t'aime"
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